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Hopefully this thread helps dispel many of the common talking points among the "Voting Dem Is Useless" crowd.Because I'm sick...

Hopefully this thread helps dispel many of the common talking points among the "Voting Dem Is Useless" crowd.

Because I'm sick and tired of people lying through their teeth about basic logical reasoning.

Re: the "rotating villain" theory, anyone who has made any sort of democratic decision with a large group of people can tell you...

Re: the "rotating villain" theory, anyone who has made any sort of democratic decision with a large group of people can tell you that there will almost always be one person who is not okay with the majority decision.

Disagreement and compromise are aspects of *Democracy itself*.

Even though Sinema/ Manchin are the bane of everyone's existence, their *mere presence* in the Senate means that Biden can confirm...

Even though Sinema/ Manchin are the bane of everyone's existence, their *mere presence* in the Senate means that Biden can confirm dozens of progressive judges and pass landmark generational legislation, like the climate change bill.

This is *objectively good* even if not ideal.

Even if a Dem is not *individually perfect*, they are *significantly better* in any place of power that could potentially be occupied by a...

Even if a Dem is not *individually perfect*, they are *significantly better* in any place of power that could potentially be occupied by a Republican.

In fact, each additional non-Conservative Dem in a seat *gives Dems an even wider berth to accomplish their stated goals*.

If the consequences of not voting Dem means you will never get the chance to vote again (because the fascists will have fully dismantled...

If the consequences of not voting Dem means you will never get the chance to vote again (because the fascists will have fully dismantled Democracy), then you have utterly failed to hold Dems accountable.

Instead, you have immolated the US because you weren't given power.

You want to "hold Dems accountable"?The primaries are when you do that. If you lose, understand it's not because the vote was...

You want to "hold Dems accountable"?

The primaries are when you do that. If you lose, understand it's not because the vote was rigged, it's because you couldn't convince enough people to vote your way.

If the alternative is fascism, it is *impossible* to hold Dems "accountable"

If Dems lose, GOP win.GOP are 100x worse than the worst Dem.If you doubt Dems' sincerity, look at MN Dems, who are all ideologically...

If Dems lose, GOP win.

GOP are 100x worse than the worst Dem.

If you doubt Dems' sincerity, look at MN Dems, who are all ideologically aligned and have been given a mandate.

The only people who want to see Dems lose are fascists or fascism enablers.

It truly is that simple.

Weird, when I try and re-toot things from the Home tab, I often get a 503 error, but when I do it from the toot itself, it's almost...

Weird, when I try and re-toot things from the Home tab, I often get a 503 error, but when I do it from the toot itself, it's almost always successful...

If it's not possible to express your criticism of Democrats in good faith and without lying about what they have or have not done, then...

If it's not possible to express your criticism of Democrats in good faith and without lying about what they have or have not done, then maybe you should reevaluate exactly why you feel so much rage towards them.

As usual, conservatives set up a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation based entirely off of a hypothetical that would otherwise...

As usual, conservatives set up a "heads I win, tails you lose" situation based entirely off of a hypothetical that would otherwise have never happened.

Because who hears that someone is a bigot and then *demands that this person takes your money* under penalty of law?

If the ruling had determined that state governments could compel speech (in this case, under the banner of anti-discrimination), DeSantis...

If the ruling had determined that state governments could compel speech (in this case, under the banner of anti-discrimination), DeSantis could turn around and use the *same legal mechanism* to compel private companies in Florida to never speak positively about LGBTQ+ people.

So the 303 case was about Colorado's state law forbidding discrimination in sales of services/goods.The issue here is that the *purely...

So the 303 case was about Colorado's state law forbidding discrimination in sales of services/goods.

The issue here is that the *purely hypothetical* of creating a website brushes against the concepts of 1A Speech itself.

Saying the state government can compel speech is *bad*.

I've seen very little analysis of this beyond some DMs, but y'all know that the 303 case SCOTUS just decided was a no-win situation,...

I've seen very little analysis of this beyond some DMs, but y'all know that the 303 case SCOTUS just decided was a no-win situation, right? Which, IMO, is kind of why it was falsely created in the first place.

If SCOTUS decided the other way, DeSantis would have had a field day.

My god Twitter is actually useless now. Absolutely incredible how fast that happened.

My god Twitter is actually useless now. Absolutely incredible how fast that happened.

23) If Dems do something & press just ignores it, despite Dems trying to call attention to it, the problem isn't the gop-friendly...

23) If Dems do something & press just ignores it, despite Dems trying to call attention to it, the problem isn't the gop-friendly press (yes, even the 'liberal' outlets) but Dem messaging.

20) Claim Dems had other options, but refuse to detail what those options were or how they'd work.21) When people ask you for details...

20) Claim Dems had other options, but refuse to detail what those options were or how they'd work.

21) When people ask you for details about those plans, say "THAT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY" and demand that Dems come up with some hypothetical plan you can't even describe.

22) Define Dems' position by their least cooperative outliers, then lay blame for their lack of cooperation at the feet of the entirety of Dems *except* the problematic ones.

I'm recombining 5/8 into a new point:16) If an action performed by Dems isn't performed in public, claim it wasn't performed at...

I'm recombining 5/8 into a new point:
16) If an action performed by Dems isn't performed in public, claim it wasn't performed at all.
and the corollary

17) If some untrustworthy media outlet claims something anti-Dem happened in private, immediately repeat it as true.

18) When Republicans engage in "hardball" tactics, hold them up as an example for Dems to follow.

19) When Dems engage in "hardball", claim that they're doing it wrong or that the tactics aren't *actually* hardball tactics.

14) Never criticize people making bad faith arguments about Dems. Claim the reason they can even *make* these bad faith arguments is because...

14) Never criticize people making bad faith arguments about Dems. Claim the reason they can even *make* these bad faith arguments is because there's an element of truth to them.

15) Never stop poasting.

11) If Dems have no viable legal options, suggest extralegal or outright illegal options (have you tried blackmailing Senators into voting...

11) If Dems have no viable legal options, suggest extralegal or outright illegal options (have you tried blackmailing Senators into voting the way you want?)
12) Drum up anti-Dem and anti-voting sentiment.
13) Occasionally publish a half-hearted "attaboy" statement about Dems every once in a while. Claim it's because they listened to you. Use these statements to prove you're not *actually* anti-Dem.

7) If Dems try a tactic and it succeeds, claim a *different* tactic would have worked better8) If Dems do not have the numbers or votes to...

7) If Dems try a tactic and it succeeds, claim a *different* tactic would have worked better
8) If Dems do not have the numbers or votes to accomplish a given goal, claim they could Just Do It, then refuse to elaborate.
9) If Dems have the numbers, but some Dems won't vote for it, claim this proves that Dems don't really want to do it and are just using rotating villains
10) If Dems are not like Republicans, claim they should be more like Republicans.